Embattled Andy Wakefield Speaks
Wakefield, lying as usual.
Vaclav Havel? Want to see how Wakefield presents his swaggering version of absolute, honest to god, truthiness? Click here. Cue to run from Andy, especially if he's holding a scope.
Hey! Andy! Read this from Dr. Michael Fitzpatrick. It should clear up that autism/measles question for you. You and the rest of us can also read Dr. Bustin's testimony about what happened in O'Leary's lab, a quick upshot is, you never found measles in any autistic kid's gut. Still unclear? Try reading Dr. Chadwick's testimony about your earlier "findings" of measles. There's less than a shred of a "biologically plausible" idea, much less a hypothesis to connect measles and autism. Another point to ponder --there hasn't been an autism epidemic.
Interesting? No, more like a falsehood. There's no correlation between introducing or taking the MMR out of a vaccine schedule and diagnoses of autism. See Dr. Fombonne's testimony on that.
Uhuh. Crucially, thimerosal has never been an element of the MMR vaccine anywhere. That's 'cuz it would kill the attenuated measles vaccine virus if they put it in there. And thimerosal does not "contain 50% mercury," it has one mercury atom that is very much heavier than the other atoms in the molecule, so even though it's alone and quite outnumbered by the other atoms, all of the others together weigh only a little more than the one mercury atom. So half the WEIGHT of a thimerosal molecule comes from one heavy little mercury atom.
Yeah, in Japan they stopped using the MMR and the rate of autism continued to increase (due to better case ascertainment, for example).
He claimed to have people in Venezuela all excited about finding measles in autistic kids there. What happened to those South American scientists?
All the children in the nurseries need is to have one of them be coughed on by someone who picked up measles in Italy, or Thailand or elsewhere,and travelled back to the U.K.
Yeah that would apply if it weren't for the fact that Wakefield never had ANY evidence that measles could cause any gut disease and he didn't have ANY evidence that measles could cause autism. He MADE IT UP at the behest of some greedy solicitors who made out like bandits. Let's not forget how wealthy dear Andy got off this whole mess.
It's curious that his motivations seem to be purely financial and that some parents who have taken their kids to see him, see Wakefield as nothing more than a liar and con-man out to make a buck. It's curious that his colleague Krigsman appeared to have lied on the witness stand in his testimony before the Special Master in the Cedillo case. As for the real guardians of autistic children, there are a bunch of us parents and autistic adults, alike, who hope with all our might that Wakers moves on to another disease, just like he moved from Crohn's to "autistic enterocolitis."
Andy Wakefield was supposed to be speaking at the upcoming Autism Society of America conference, apparently he won't be there now. He was supposed to be one of the instructors for the Continuing Medical Education credit granting workshops there. The CME credits are to be granted by UC Davis, showing a stunning lack of good judgement on UCD's part. Not the first stunning lack of good judgement on UCD's part, unfortunately. They let the "founding fathers" run the MIND Institute, for one thing, taking it in a seriously pro-quackery direction and exposing small autistic children, one of the most vulnerable populations there is, to purposeless medical experimentation. But maybe the docs at the MIND caught that inclination from their contact with Andrew Wakefield.
Edit: See also Russell Brown's commentary on another Guardian article regarding autism, one that also attempts to keep the fear of the MMR vaccine inflamed.
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I told the truth all along, says doctor at heart of autism row
In his only interview before he appears in front of the General Medical Council to face serious charges of malpractice, the campaigner against the MMR vaccine tells Denis Campbell that he has no regrets
Sunday July 8, 2007
The Observer
Flicking through some paperwork in an Italian restaurant in central London, Andrew Wakefield cuts an anonymous figure. Tall, wearing a deep green polo shirt, chinos and outdoor jacket against the rain, he could be an accountant checking figures. It is unlikely that the other mid-afternoon diners recognise a man who sparked one of the great public health controversies.
Wakefield is a hugely divisive figure. Nine years ago he claimed that the measles mumps rubella vaccine, or MMR, given to every baby in the country at 12-15 months, may cause autism. To many in the medical and political establishment he is a misguided, dangerous propagandist whose claims have caused unnecessary alarm among millions of parents and risked outbreaks of three diseases that remain potential killers. Some critics describe him as a crank, a publicity-lover, a peddler of spin, hype and pseudo-science. He has been attacked by the Chief Medical Officer, the then Health Secretary and Tony Blair.
Forced to leave Britain to practise in America because of the furore, Wakefield is now back. And unrepentant. Time, and the condemnation he faced, have deepened his suspicions about MMR. For the last few weeks he has spent long hours every day with his lawyers finalising evidence he will give when he appears next week before the General Medical Council, the body which investigates alleged malpractice by doctors. He is facing a long list of serious charges relating to research he co-authored in 1998 that triggered the huge public uncertainty about MMR that endures today.
To supporters, Wakefield is a hero, a lone crusader for truth and a principled, caring doctor challenging a policy that is harming significant numbers of children. Some scientists, a handful of doctors and parents of sons and daughters they claim have been damaged by the triple vaccine see him as the victim of a Department of Health-led plot to discredit him, and the GMC hearing as a show trial designed to suppress an uncomfortable truth. Wakefield, talking to The Observer in his only interview before the hearing, says he plans to defend himself vigorously against allegations he sees as ill-conceived and malicious. 'I've done what I've done because my motivation is the suffering of children I've seen and the determination of devoted, articulate, rational parents to find out why part of them has been destroyed, why their child has been ruined. Why would I go through this process of professional isolation if it was simply to do with egomania? My alleged egomania doesn't explain things very well. There's been no upside for me in having pursued this issue. It's been very difficult.
'As Vaclav Havel once said: "Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it." I can't tell you that we know that the MMR vaccine causes autism. But the Department of Health can tell you with 100 per cent certainty that it doesn't, and they believe that, and that concerns me greatly.'
Vaclav Havel? Want to see how Wakefield presents his swaggering version of absolute, honest to god, truthiness? Click here. Cue to run from Andy, especially if he's holding a scope.
The MMR controversy began on 26 February, 1998 when a group of doctors at the Royal Free Hospital in north London, including Wakefield, held a press conference to publicise a research paper they had just published in the medical journal The Lancet.
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MMR safety will be back in the news on 16 July when the GMC Fitness to Practise Panel begins disciplinary proceedings against Wakefield and two of his Lancet co-authors, Professor John Walker-Smith and Professor Simon Murch. The charges of serious professional misconduct in the way they conducted the disputed study are very grave. If upheld, all face being struck off.
They include allegations that the three undertook research with the 12 children without proper approval from the Royal Free's ethics committee, failed to conduct their study along the lines they had sought ethical approval for, and did not treat their young patients in accordance with the ethical approval given. The trio are accused of carrying out procedures on children in the study, such as lumbar punctures and colonoscopies, that were not in the best interests of the health of some seriously ill young people.
According to the charge papers, the GMC will also hear claims that Wakefield and Walker-Smith 'acted dishonestly and irresponsibly' in failing to tell The Lancet how they had recruited the patients, and that the pair also acted irresponsibly when they gave one child 'a purportedly therapeutic substance for experimental reasons prior to obtaining information about the safety of the substance'.
Wakefield himself is further accused of being 'dishonest and misleading' when he obtained research funds from the Legal Aid Board, of ordering investigations to be carried out on some children even though he did not have the paediatric qualifications to do so, and that he took blood from children at a birthday party to use for research purposes after offering them money.
Wakefield explains that legal advice and his desire not to turn the GMC panel against him, mean he is unable to respond directly to the allegations. But friends say that he views the GMC hearing as part of a long-running 'Stalinist' campaign to ruin his reputation. He and his co-accused deny all the claims.
Wakefield told The Observer that he has no regrets for saying what he did in 1998 nor for continuing to seek to prove his view of MMR as the likeliest explanation for the rise in cases of autism in Britain. Almost every child health expert, though, regards the jab as hugely beneficial to public health and rules out any connection between it and autism.
'My concern is that it's biologically plausible that the MMR vaccine causes or contributes to the disease in many children, and that nothing in the science so far dissuades me from the continued need to pursue that question', Wakefield said.
Hey! Andy! Read this from Dr. Michael Fitzpatrick. It should clear up that autism/measles question for you. You and the rest of us can also read Dr. Bustin's testimony about what happened in O'Leary's lab, a quick upshot is, you never found measles in any autistic kid's gut. Still unclear? Try reading Dr. Chadwick's testimony about your earlier "findings" of measles. There's less than a shred of a "biologically plausible" idea, much less a hypothesis to connect measles and autism. Another point to ponder --there hasn't been an autism epidemic.
'The trend in autism has gone up sharply in many countries. It's interesting that that increase coincides in many places with the introduction of the MMR vaccine.
Interesting? No, more like a falsehood. There's no correlation between introducing or taking the MMR out of a vaccine schedule and diagnoses of autism. See Dr. Fombonne's testimony on that.
That doesn't make it the cause. But it's an observation that needs to be explained, because there was clearly some environmental change at that time that led to growing numbers of children becoming autistic. It's a legitimate question if MMR is one of those factors. I fear that it may be.'
His notoriety means he is effectively an exile in America, where he is now the executive director of research at Thoughtful House, a non-profit-making school and clinic in Austin, Texas, which treats children with autism from all over the world.
'The hypothesis that we have been pursuing for some years is that the vaccines in some way may interact to increase the risk of the measles element in the MMR jab damaging the intestine, and possibly the brain directly, or alternatively that the intestinal disease leads to secondary immune injury to the developing brain.'
As the Havel quote suggests, Wakefield sees himself as a dogged seeker after a disturbing truth. He compares himself to the small band of doctors who, soon after Aids emerged in the Eighties, pinpointed a previously unknown virus (HIV) as the cause, only for their theory to take years to become established.
'In the Thatcher-Reagan era, Aids was originally seen as something politically unacceptable, as an act of God or a gay plague - as anything but our problem. People were stigmatised,' he said. 'We are looking at something with autism which is similarly politically unacceptable. That is, how could one of medicine's modern miracles possibly be associated with damage to children? Because if it's shown to be linked, then it becomes less of a miracle and more of a potential scandal.' He believes that the Department of Health introduced MMR into the UK in 1988 to save money and that he has been persecuted for daring to take on powerful political and drug industry interests.
Professor David Elliman, of Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital in London, is one of Wakefield's chief critics. In his view a growing public distrust of health professionals, caused by a series of medical scandals, has helped create a climate in which Wakefield is seen by some as a David taking on the Goliath of a medical establishment.
'Some people are susceptible to conspiracy theories,' he said. 'Media coverage of the MMR row, which gave both sides equal say, gave the public the misleading impression that Wakefield represented a significant body of opinion. Yet there isn't a 50-50 split on this. It's 99.9 per cent to point one [of a per cent].'
The science author and broadcaster Vivienne Parry, a member of the government's independent advisory panel, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, speaks for the large majority of scientific and medical opinion when she says: 'I think Wakefield is wrong about MMR. He has caused great alarm and distress. But the demonisation of him has made some people think he's being hounded by a vengeful establishment, which has given him a certain amount of credibility with those who believe that all mavericks are right.'
Autism baffles science. Unlike diseases - and autism is a neurological condition, not a disease - few experts would claim to know exactly what causes it, much less treat it. Some blame genetic factors, others put the increase in those classed as being autistic down to better diagnosis, and others believe MMR is responsible.
Professor Simon Baron-Cohen, co-director of the Autism Research Centre at Cambridge University, is the UK's leading expert on the lifelong, so far incurable, condition, which is estimated to affect 588,000 people, about one in 100 Britons. But even he is not precise: 'The main causes of autism are likely to be genetic, though interacting with some as yet unknown environmental factors.'
The National Autistic Society is similarly vague. 'The causes of autism are still being investigated. Many experts believe that the pattern of behaviour from which autism is diagnosed may not result from a single cause,' it has said in a statement. Sufferers have trouble forming relationships, encounter difficulties in communicating in verbal or written form, and often develop obsessional interests.
Interestingly, the charity does not adhere to the medical consensus which categorically rejects any link between MMR and autism. 'The NAS is keenly aware of the understandable concerns of parents surrounding suggested links between autism and the MMR vaccine,' says a spokeswoman.
Experts disagree on whether reported increases in the number of children with autism in the UK and elsewhere represent 'real' rises or better diagnosis. Wakefield is now a key figure in a growing world network of organisations, medical professionals, treatment centres, activist groups and campaigning parents which insists the rise is real and that the triple jab is the reason.
Pressure is building for fresh studies of possible links and in-depth examination of children apparently adversely affected by vaccines. The US Court of Federal Claims recently began hearing a case which could lead to compensation being paid to 4,800 families who have filed lawsuits claiming that their children ended up suffering from autism, inflammatory bowel disease, glaucoma and epilepsy after receiving the MMR jab and other childhood vaccinations.
Critics point out that the US court case is not about the MMR vaccine itself but centres on the use of a preservative called thimerosal, which contains 50 per cent mercury and until a few years ago was added to routine vaccinations given to children in the US under one. Crucially, it has never been an element of the MMR vaccine here.
Uhuh. Crucially, thimerosal has never been an element of the MMR vaccine anywhere. That's 'cuz it would kill the attenuated measles vaccine virus if they put it in there. And thimerosal does not "contain 50% mercury," it has one mercury atom that is very much heavier than the other atoms in the molecule, so even though it's alone and quite outnumbered by the other atoms, all of the others together weigh only a little more than the one mercury atom. So half the WEIGHT of a thimerosal molecule comes from one heavy little mercury atom.
In Japan the MMR jab became mandatory in 1989, but was withdrawn in 1993 after doctors warned of side-effects. There were more than 2,000 claims that it triggered reactions such as meningitis and encephalitis, an inflammation of the brain, and even caused deaths. Families of children who had died received £80,000 each in damages.
Yeah, in Japan they stopped using the MMR and the rate of autism continued to increase (due to better case ascertainment, for example).
'America is like the UK in that many children are affected by autism, but over there there's a powerful drive to get to the truth, an inherent mistrust of the healthcare bureaucracy, and a can-do attitude among intelligent and articulate parents,' says Wakefield. He predicts that 'the truth' about MMR will eventually come from America, not the UK.
He claimed to have people in Venezuela all excited about finding measles in autistic kids there. What happened to those South American scientists?
Before Wakefield's warning, 91.5 per cent of children in England had the MMR jab by the time they turned two. After he hit the headlines immunisation rates fell to 87.4 per cent. Public distrust in the vaccine was enhanced when Tony Blair refused to say whether his son Leo had had the jab and rumours swirled that the Blairs had travelled to France to have the single jabs privately. The vaccination rate subsequently fell to 79.9 per cent. The World Health Organisation says 95 per cent is necessary to ensure what medical experts call 'herd immunity' - that enough children have had MMR to ensure that they neither get the three illnesses nor pass them on to others.
Dr Natasha Crowcroft, a childhood immunisation expert at the Health Protection Agency, said: 'There have been outbreaks of measles in places like nurseries. The fear is that children who weren't vaccinated following Wakefield's comments are now approaching secondary school age and may well get measles, for example on holiday in Thailand or even in Italy, where it's common.'
All the children in the nurseries need is to have one of them be coughed on by someone who picked up measles in Italy, or Thailand or elsewhere,and travelled back to the U.K.
MMR's defenders admit that significant numbers of parents are still apprehensive. 'Confidence was shaken,' concedes Crowcroft. But parental fear seems to be gradually subsiding. MMR uptake has been increasing since 2003; by last year 84.1 per cent of two year olds in England had had it. Gordon Brown last year said that his son, John, two had the triple jab and made clear he saw it as a matter of parents' responsibility to ensure their child was covered.
Although Wakefield will be on trial at the GMC, the hearing could prove uncomfortable for those that make decisions about health. An editorial in the New Scientist magazine has expressed alarm over the implications of the GMC's action for health professionals' freedom to raise questions about possible safety flaws. 'The notion that he should have kept quiet is ludicrous: there are too many cases where doctors' concerns have proved correct, such as their fears over the impact of antidepressant drugs on children.'
Yeah that would apply if it weren't for the fact that Wakefield never had ANY evidence that measles could cause any gut disease and he didn't have ANY evidence that measles could cause autism. He MADE IT UP at the behest of some greedy solicitors who made out like bandits. Let's not forget how wealthy dear Andy got off this whole mess.
MMR's defenders do not pretend it is always 100 per cent safe. JCVI member Vivienne Parry admits: 'There's a risk with all vaccines. It's a very small risk. No one has ever said that the MMR vaccine, or any vaccine, is completely without side-effects. But as a society we have to decide whether the benefits outweight the risks. If we had measles, it would kill lots of children. If you have a vaccine, it will damage some children, but a very small number.' Parry believes the near-disappearance of measles, mumps and rubella in recent times means they no longer hold any horror for most people, and that helps explain the questioning attitude to MMR.
In the Italian restaurant, Wakefield fires a parting shot before another meeting with his lawyers. 'I'm determined to continue to do this work, regardless of the personal cost. It has to be done. Because the parents of these children deserve an answer, and their children deserve help and they can be helped', he says. 'My colleagues and I won't be deflected by the interests of public health policymakers and pharmaceuticals. I want to help children with autism; they are my motivation. If the work ultimately exonerates the vaccines, that's fine. If not, we need to think again.'
It's curious that his motivations seem to be purely financial and that some parents who have taken their kids to see him, see Wakefield as nothing more than a liar and con-man out to make a buck. It's curious that his colleague Krigsman appeared to have lied on the witness stand in his testimony before the Special Master in the Cedillo case. As for the real guardians of autistic children, there are a bunch of us parents and autistic adults, alike, who hope with all our might that Wakers moves on to another disease, just like he moved from Crohn's to "autistic enterocolitis."
Andy Wakefield was supposed to be speaking at the upcoming Autism Society of America conference, apparently he won't be there now. He was supposed to be one of the instructors for the Continuing Medical Education credit granting workshops there. The CME credits are to be granted by UC Davis, showing a stunning lack of good judgement on UCD's part. Not the first stunning lack of good judgement on UCD's part, unfortunately. They let the "founding fathers" run the MIND Institute, for one thing, taking it in a seriously pro-quackery direction and exposing small autistic children, one of the most vulnerable populations there is, to purposeless medical experimentation. But maybe the docs at the MIND caught that inclination from their contact with Andrew Wakefield.
Edit: See also Russell Brown's commentary on another Guardian article regarding autism, one that also attempts to keep the fear of the MMR vaccine inflamed.
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"'The notion that he should have kept quiet is ludicrous: there are too many cases where doctors' concerns have proved correct, such as their fears over the impact of antidepressant drugs on children.'"
Yes, it is ludicrous that Wakefield did keep quiet about the fact that soomeone on his own team told him that the detection of measles virus was wrong!
Chadwick get's the "Nevil Longbottom" award for standing up to a senior researcher. If they want to point to courage, let them point to Chadwick.
Matt
Stalin?? If Stalin was a megalomaniac, then Stalin makes a better comparison to Wakefield than a does a victim of Stalin.
Good for Chadwick. It's too bad he didn't yell earlier, but thankfully he did under oath in the Cedillo case.
I though the Observer's lead story was worse. It says that two members of a Cambridge research team are incilning towards the MMR theory without noting that one of the researchers has a history in this business and now works with Wakefield's Thoughtful House. Or that both have previously touted their services as expert witnesses for vaccine suits.
I blogged it:
http://publicaddress.net/default,4331.sm
I despair - leaving aside the obvious nonsense, did no-one even introduce this into the same room as a scientific sub-editor to catch that nonsense about the thiomersal and the MMR?!?
I'm ashamed of one of the UK's broadsheet Sundays.
Diva,
the similarities to Stalinist justice are striking. Let's say Wakefield had raised a public health scare in Stalinist USSR. Let's say he had concealed data, and that people had died of preventable diseases.
You could count on the Stalinist courts waiting 10 years, giving him time to mount a defence. You could count on Stalinist judges being limited to removing his right to practice medicine in the USSR. In the end, his punishment would have been the same--banishment to the US where he would be forced to set up a clinic and accept a large salary.
Yep, the similarities are striking.
Matt
It is good news that Wakefield will not be speaking at the ASA. did he cry off or did somebody pull the plug?
Interesting,
"In Japan the MMR jab became mandatory in 1989, but was withdrawn in 1993 after doctors warned of side-effects. There were more than 2,000 claims that it triggered reactions such as meningitis and encephalitis, an inflammation of the brain, and even caused deaths. Families of children who had died received £80,000 each in damages."
So many questions arise to this ignorant lay-person:
Why did Japan find the side effects unacceptable and the US/GBR did not? Is it being used in Japan now?
So the MMR doesn't cause autism - but it can cause problems involving inflammation, esp. to the brain? What about elsewhere in the body?
Is subacute sclerosing panencephalitis only caused by the wild virus or does it show up with the domesticated version too? Is it possible that the attenuated virus might cause attenuated complications?
So is it possible that children like Michelle Cedillo might have been mildly autistic and the MMR could have triggered inflammatory processes that significantly worsened their condition?
Does anyone know where any of these answers can be found?
Grace,
No one in Japan thinks that measles can cause autism now. Isn't that interesting? They stopped giving the MMR, the rate of autism continued to climb in the MRR vaxed cohort.
There has never been a case of subactue pansclerosing encephalitis caused by vaccine virus. But if a kid is unvaxed and gets the wild type measles, then there's a chance that he could die of subacute pansclerosing encephalitis.
Here's the thing. Encephalitis does not look like autism. Isn't that **interesting?** It's like WAY interesting to Autism Diva. Now you can go download day 11 of the Cedillo testimony and read everthing Dr. Griffin said about measles. It's not hard to read, and you'll learn all about SSPE and how it always kills people who have it!
You can also learn that measles has been studied, and studied, and studied and studied and studied some more. Folks just know quite a bit about measles, there's stuff they don't know. Like... well they don't know if it causes unicorns or space aliens, and they don't know if it causes greed or (except in the case of Wakefield, et al), we don't know if occult measles infections are responsible for crime (apart from the case of Wakefield et al) or drug abuse or wife beating. One could speculate all day about what attenuated measles or wild type measles MIGHT do, but why would we do that?
What we KNOW is that the only reason Wakers was looking at autistic kids is because some lawyers told him or led him to understand that he and they could make big money off of telling people that the MMR causes autism.
Wakefield is a bald faced liar. This has been known for what, 3 or 4 years now by the public, and since... 1998 or so in the case of Nick Chadwick and others.
Do you know why they stopped administering the MMR in Japan? It's because...well it had nothing to do with the measles portion of the "triple jab". Isn't that interesting? Maybe it was mumps all along that caused the autism epidemic? Oh, wait, there hasn't been an autism epidemic... so... hmmm...
And the kind of meningitis it caused.... hmmm..... "aseptic meningitis" That's the kind of meningitis that kids can get from IVIG, and in fact one autistic patient of a sleezy DAN! doc, DID get aseptic meningitis from an IVIG infusion. Isn't that interesting?
If you get the day 10 transcript and read it... and Autism Diva highly suggests that you do. You may find where Dr. Fombonne is quoted as saying that the Japanese used the "URB" strain of mumps, and that it was a bad strain to use... well that's an error made by the transcriber, it's the "urabe" strain.
Michelle Cedillo cleared the attentuated measles virus. She built antibodies to it normally. She didn't have any live measles virus left in her after she cleared it. See? So there's no reason to think that measles made her autistic, especially since she was autistic way long before she got the MMR vaccine.
Diva,
While I appreciate your efforts to educate me, it would be far more helpful if you would simply answer the questions I ask (or refer me to knowledgable sources) if you are able than to keep second-guessing what you think I am asking or where I am coming from. I have been having the same frustrating problem with Prometheus.
Asking these questions does not mean that I am claiming that MMR causes autism or that I am supporting Wakefield. Especially after I specifically acknowledged that MMR apparently does not. Not all people with questions are antagonists, but when treated as such, find it difficult not to be antagonistic in kind.
I have found your blog (and that of Prometheus) to be of some help. I'd appreciate it if I could get the info I seek without feeling like I need to put on armor first.
P.S. Does anyone in your autism hub have a medical background?
Oh and unless there is another website available (I have ftp://autism.uscfc.uscourts.gov/autism/index.html ), I am still waiting for the rest of the transcripts to be posted so that I can read the one you suggest - very odd. How did you access them?
Hit the refresh button. That should work.
Ah, apologies (thanks Heraldblog) - my ignorance in play again (recognizing one's challenges is always the first step!) - I was accessing that transcript link from a google search and assumed that I would get the most recent page. I have the current link now and will sally forth to try to learn from yet more of my betters...
Grace. It is *possible* that a stimulation of the immune system triggered something in these children. Children are exposed to zillions of things that stimulate the immune system. Bacteria, pollon, viruses, germs, cooties, hair, dirt, smoke, foods all *stimulate* the immune system. If they didn't, then children would die of infections.
If MMR does *trigger* something, what we do know, is that in the absence of MMR, something else *triggers* what ever it is that MMR *triggers*. It is extremely difficult to pick out *one* trigger if there are many other things that will *trigger* it too. Also kind of useless. Even suppose that MMR does *trigger* ASDs, but in the absence of MMR something else triggers it equally well. What happens if you stop MMR? Does autism stop? No, we have done that test, and it doesn't go down. But something that MMR does stop goes up, measels infections, including deaths.
Daedalus2u,
I beg your indulgence as I am not able to express things as clearly as one could wish.
What I have in mind is something similar to, if not actually, an autoimmune reaction.
Yes, and following your line, in a situation like multiple chemical sensitivity, every little thing sets off a hyper-reaction of the immune system. Perhaps it's like that for some cases?
But, I was actually thinking of something akin to this:
Role of viruses in the pathogenesis of IDDM.
Non-genetic risk determinants of type 1 diabetes.
Viruses and other perinatal exposures as initiating events for beta-cell destruction.
While this is referring to IDDM (complications from which my 19yo neice died just 2 wks ago, sadly), autoimmunity seems to have a fairly similar pathogenesis regardless of where it takes up residence. The common denominator seems to be either an ongoing source of inflammation or a conglomeration of inflammatory events.
Early-life immune insult and developmental immunotoxicity (DIT)-associated diseases
People suffering from autoimmune diseases are generally encouraged to avoid inflammatory triggers - either food or environmental - as much as possible to hopefully improve, but at least not exacerbate, their condition as the evidence to date is strongly encouraging in that regard.
So what do you think? Possible? Probable? Laughable?
I have a challenge for you. Speak to 100 families about their respective stories, about how and when their child started displaying symptoms. Talk to and see the child.. Find out if they have any history of any developmental disorders. Talk to 100 DAN (Defeat Autism Now) physicians. Find out if any children have improved and why have they improved. Lastly, compare symtoms of these autistic people/chilren to that of mercury poisioning. Then write another article.
McClain
Long Beach, CA
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