Friday, March 23, 2007

Down time, or what the Red Queen needs

Well, in our country," said Alice, still panting a little, "you'd generally get to somewhere else — if you run very fast for a long time, as we've been doing."

"A slow sort of country!" said the Queen. "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!"


One of the scariest things about the general topic of Applied Behavioral Analysis, to Autism Diva, is the idea of putting a small child into 40 hours, or even 20 hours a week of ABA therapy. Now it seems that just about anything can be called "ABA" therapy these days, but still 40 hours of direction from an adult or peers per week has to be exhausting for any kid. And think, these 40 hours are usually provided by several different people over a week's time, so the therapists aren't necessarily doing this 40 hours a week, but the kid is there the whole time.

In it's most perverse form, in ABA nearly everything a child does for that 40 hours is documented, so that after the years of this that some kids endure, their lives are cataloged in a perhaps a floor-to-ceiling bookshelf full of binders containing "data" on their "behaviors emitted" and "behaviors extinguished." There's something far, far too cold blooded about that for Autism Diva. It really seems like a kind of disease that people would think that this was OK. But the attitude is that autistic kids are so hideous and outside the realm of normal that they can't expect a "normal" childhood with lots of free time and learning their place in their family and community.

No, what they seem to be teaching autistic (and other) kids is that "You are not one of us," "Your siblings and normal peers aren't treated this way, but they are not like you." These kids are "special" in the worst sense of the word. They need to have their every movement counted and categorized and above all controlled.

That's just insane. Sure, kids can be taught some things this way, but at what cost to the child? Never mind the cost to the families that give up massive amounts of privacy having therapists in their homes (frequently) 40 hours a week. Of course, this is usually just the experience fairly well-off people. Poor people might have the county send out a childhood development person for an hour a week or something like that, that is if the child is identified as having a problem at all before school age.

But here is an example of how the cult form of ABA affects the true believers. Every one of the child's waking minutes is to be used for "therapy," else-wise, the parents are failing their autistic child.


Outside Therapy - What To Do During "Dead" Time

This is a mom’s perspective Shannon on what do with “dead time” non-therapy time.

FILL UP THE DAILY "DEAD TIME"

In planning your daily, weekly schedule for your child with Autism-Spectrum Disorder (ASD), you should make a plan to fill up the "dead-time" in your child's day.

Try an experiment for ONE DAY. Go through the entire "regular day" with your ASD child and actually count the number of minutes that your child is in "dead time". The result may surprise you.

What is "Dead-Time"?

1. Dead time is time OUTSIDE the ABA therapy sessions.

2. Dead time is sitting in a car going from one place to another. Typical children will look around, look out the window, comment on what’s seen, or just chat. Your ASD child will just sit, absorbing nothing of value - Your ASD child is in "dead-time".

3. Dead time is waiting in any lineup, supermarket, room, lobby, hallway, or classroom, as people around the child are either waiting for something or someone, or engaged in busy activity or conversation. Your typical child is usually having at least some fun (or making their own fun by getting into trouble), absorbing the new elements of a different environment. Your ASD child is in "dead-time".

4. Dead time also can be that late afternoon time (4:00 - 6:00 pm), when everyone is coming home from school/work, snack-time is on, then supper is getting prepared, maybe the house is getting tidied up a bit. Everyone is a little tired and getting ready for the last part of the day. Your ASD child just finished a therapy session, but no one is "on" him or her on a one-to-one basis. Your ASD child is in "dead-time".

5. Dead time is time that your child spends doing nothing while in transit from one place to another, waiting for something else to happen, or waiting for someone to arrive or to go someplace. Whether or not there are other family members around, there is no one focused on that child -- spending one-on-one interaction specifically and exclusively with that child. There is nothing in the child's hands on which to focus his attention and learning, even if only for a few moments.

ALL dead time is valuable time that should be filled with SOMETHING. ...

How can you fill the "Dead Time" with productive learning for your ASD Child?

1) Make every moment count. Everywhere you go, carry learning items and put those items in your child's hand. Talk or sing about them. Ask questions and if no answer (not able to), then prompt answers or give the answers yourself. If you are really busy, just tell your child to hold on to it, stand/sit down on the floor and look at it.

2) Take a PLAY BOX (toys/books/flash cards, etc.) everywhere - Put one in the car, for sure, but also take several regularly rotated items and put them in your purse or a special bag. The child will see the bag and possibly become familiar enough with it to seek out new items from you while waiting somewhere. This is fun for everyone. In driving long distances, it is hard for most children to be patient and "wait". Driving short distances is sometimes tough, too, and usually there are a LOT of these in a typical family's week. Put a toy or book or single flash card in your child's hands. Make sure that it is stuff that can easily require interaction from you but not be too distracting while you are driving.

3) Frequently change what is in the child's hands. Then s/he can't just get fixated on the item and/or totally bored. When driving and coming to a stop sign, take the item away and put another one in his/her hands.

4) Talk - talk - talk -- about what is in his hands, so there is always some form of communication going, no matter how basic or advanced your ABA Program is at any given moment in time.. While you are driving, talk about the item in his/her hands. Try to elicit a response - ask questions, etc. Ask questions and model the answers/statements so that the child practices language EVERYWHERE at every opportunity. Rotate the toys he/she has at every opportunity. At a stop sign, take that one away and put another one in his/her hands. Then talk about the new item. If there are other children in the car, get them involved in the discussion as well. If there are songs related to the item, sing them all together. Do not put the radio on and say nothing ANYMORE. ...

5) Get verbal interaction going with everyone in the car-- get him to repeat words, answer questions, ask him to point to body parts (or make a game with everyone in the car, someone in a line-up, etc. so that s/he can see and copy -- "OK everybody -- touch your nose, etc.)

6) ... Ask your ASD child "Look at that little girl - what color is her coat", etc. Or get them both to look at something and tell you what it is. This is peer interaction. ...

7) For those busy family times where no one is "on" your ASD child - Admit it. You can't do it, so get someone else on the job. If you have older siblings, assign a rotational 10 minute toy/ play task or some gross motor games (hopping, jumping, tossing). ...

...


(Emphasis and illustrations added)

Autism Diva, seemingly never at rest, just got a copy of a paper in press: Unrest at rest: Default activity and spontaneous network correlations. Buckner, R.L., Vincent, J.L. NeuroImage (2007).

The Buckner paper deals with the idea that the brain "at rest" is really very, very active, and it's doing important stuff. It's consolidating what it's been exposed to previously, and preparing for future demands. The Buckner paper mentions autism briefly and cites this paper:
Failing to deactivate: Resting functional abnormalities in autism by Kennedy et al. This paper from last year found a difference in the way autistic brains act during rest. They seem not to enter the kind of "resting" state of the brain where it's working to consolidate what it is being exposed to. Quoting the abstract of the Kennedy et al paper:
We speculate that the lack of deactivation in the autism group is indicative of abnormal internally directed processes at rest, which may be an important contribution to the social and emotional deficits of autism.
What they found was interesting, but that was just one study and not really conclusive at all. Autism Diva thinks it's safe to say that maybe autistics need a lot more down time in order to process what they are exposed to. It seems unlikely that their brains never go through this "deactivation" where new lessons are set in place.
The above graphic is taken from the in-press Buckner et al paper. It shows that while a rat is moving a certain set of neurons in "place fields" are firing in a particular order, and while the rat is resting, the same set of neurons in fire again, but now they fire in reverse. So it might look like the resting time is being wasted, but it's not. Part of the paper deals with the fact that a "resting" brain, or a "free wheeling" brain might be used to contrast a brain working on a problem while in an MRI scanner, the fact that the "resting brain" is actually working hard in some areas can complicate this. The whole topic of what brain-states one "subtracts" from another state during an fMRI study is VERY complicated and Autism Diva can scarcely grasp it, but perhaps with enough rest she could get closer to understanding it.

This is part of the paper's conclusion, which seems to Autism Diva to be a big deal.
Our fundamental departure from [another group's] perspective is this: considerable aspects of brain activity may be functional, adaptive, and process specific information but may not be directed toward immediate behavior. Studying the activity of brain regions only during active tasks assumes that all neural functions related to cognition can be captured in the moment of the cognitive event. However, some functional processes may have evolved to occur over longer time scales rather than to support immediate task goals. A radical perspective is that such future-oriented processes are the majority of the brain’s function. Perhaps
our recent evolutionary adaptations, having largely solved surviving the moment, now include a great deal of neural resources dedicated to surviving future moments. That is, while we spend critical moments engaging the environment to solve immediate tasks, we spend most of our time directed away from the environment in processing modes that consolidate the past, stabilize brain ensembles, and prepare us for the future. Activity events supporting these functions may be structured in ways fundamentally different from those we have gleaned by studying input–output relations under immediate experimental control. Within this speculative view, baseline activity patterns during rest may be our first glimpse into these processes. (emphasis added)

It's interesting that the Buckner paper refers to "behaviors." It seems to be saying that if you think you can understand what is important to the brain by watching behaviors, you are wrong, and besides that you better be careful about what you assume you are seeing in fMRI scans because some of the cool stuff the brain does it does when it's not being stimulated particularly.

But back to down time in an autistic child's life. It seems that so many autistic "behaviors" are adaptive. That autistics are actually doing them because they help them to survive. Autistics tell that flapping and other self-stimulatory behaviors feel necessary and automatic, they help to tell the autistic where their body is in space, at least that seems to be a common explanation coming from autistics themselves. Autistics are classed by these seemingly inferior to normal behaviors. But what if it's all adaptive? What if the fact that so many autistics crave being alone for significant time periods comes out of a real need for that down time. For Autism Diva, some quiet time alone feels about as essential as air, water or food. QUIET TIME ALONE becomes imperative following a few hours around people or lots of stimulation like at a noisy shopping mall (are there no such things as quiet malls?

Another thing that other autistics have reported is that while they may not understand what is being said by a person or people at the time it is being said, hours later, when alone, the conversations that whirled around their heads unintelligibly earlier come back in an understandable form.

So how important is down time and QUIET TIME ALONE to autistics? It might be every bit as important as time autistic children spend being exposed to new experiences. It would also be beneficial if that autistic child had more control over what he or she is learning, something that is lacking in ABA, where some outside force usually decides what is the next most important thing to learn. There are tales of therapists spending hour after hour, like dozens of hours trying to teach a kid one thing and that one thing MUST be accomplished before anyone allows the child to attempt something else. So who has the disorder here? Who is showing signs of neuroticism and obsessive/compulsivity? Who is merely chasing his or her tail or an illusion of "being helpful." You know, don't just stand there, do something!

Autism Diva spent lots of time with her kids when they were little playing educational kinds of games, playing in sand and on the lawn and stacking blocks and so forth but there never was any data taken, ever. Photographs, yes, proud mom photos of kids, but no data. And there was lots of down time, for both the kids and the mom.

Ivaar Lovaas pretending he knows what a child with "childhood schizophrenia" (autism) needs:


The video is about 4 minutes long and features Lovaas having some problems with making eye contact with the interviewer. Why he wasn't treated for this we don't know.



Autism Diva
at ease

19 Comments:

Blogger Autism Diva said...

For some reason Autism Diva's new blog entries are getting set to "no comments," sorry. It's a mistake. Comments are supposed to be open. ;-)

11:31 AM  
Blogger Club 166 said...

Thanks for opening them up! Figured it was a glitch.

I agree and disagree with the article. I guess my position is one of moderation in everything.

On the one hand, I think that one can err too easily on the side of "letting kids (any kids) have down time". I do feel that kids develop faster and better if their development is guided somewhat.

I also feel that autistics need a bit more guiding than NT's. NT's, if left to themselves, will eventually develop most skills because, let's face it, it's an NT world. Autistics development (IMO) needs to be facilitated more such that they learn to interact in an NT world. This is IMO only, but I think that while most autistics will develop skills to interact with the NT world without a lot of guidance, they'll develop these skills faster and to a greater degree if they're "coached" along the way.

The above being said, I fully endorse the idea that kids (again, all kids) need down time, for process and reflection.

The bottom line is that I think autistics are at greater risk of falling behind in development (of skills to exist in an NT world) if that development is not facilitated. I also think that autistics need down time and time to just be themselves, and that needs to be built in to their schedules. Personally, I try to look for natural "teaching moments" that are integrated into our son's natural play, rather than having him do set exercises for specific periods of time.

11:57 AM  
Blogger Theo Bromine said...

Dead time is sitting in a car going from one place to another. Typical children will look around, look out the window, comment on what’s seen, or just chat. Your ASD child will just sit, absorbing nothing of value - Your ASD child is in "dead-time".


I think what bothers me most about this statement is the idea that there is "nothing of value" going on when the child is just sitting, and that they should constantly be engaged in doing something "of value". Why is *chatting* necessarily of more value than *thinking*? ({rant} For me, one of the worst things about social situations is having the sense that I *should* be saying something, but not having the slightest clue what. So maybe I just sit there, and someone comes up to me and tells me that I should smile. Why should I smile? {/rant})

1:28 PM  
Blogger Kat said...

And what happens if one of those children just wants to be left alone for five minutes? My autistic son (22 years old and making the most of who and what he is quite happily) had plenty of "dead time". It was the time he used to draw pictures, build Legos and sing to himself. Obviously, children differ, but I simply cannot imagine any child not being allowed time with their own thoughts. It seems almost barbaric.

2:24 PM  
Blogger VioletYoshi said...

The "dead time" thing seems so rediculous. Ask an adult, would they like every waking moment of their life, constantly being barraged with questions. Or holding a toy, only to play with it for two seconds until mommy grabs it from them so they don't become "fixated/bored".

This flys in the face of everything people have been taught about how to care for Autistic spectrum children. Consistancy, structure. Structure isn't waking up every morning, to another day of brain-bending exercises. Structure isn't filling up a child's day with meaningless activity.

A child cannot learn anything, if their mind is trained to be a revolving door of information. They don't have time to learn how to absorb information. They don't even have time to form a sense of self or identity. Then who wants to be bothered with a child who has a sense of self? Might as well start adjusting them to a life of being like a soldier before school starts.

What happened to the saying, children are learning all the time? It's now this, well we can't let children be exposed to TV, and video games. So the best thing to do is have constant control over them. Especially if they are Autistic, because they are more prone to suggestability right? Or more prone to investigating things intellectually, which would mean more "dead-time".

The more time you are force-feeding a Autistic child social interaction, the sooner they will learn they just have to conform to it? I would think that would have the opposite effect. Making the child so overwhelmed that they learn to fear social interaction, or they learn to shut down and pantomime being social without any feeling. You cannot change a cat into a dog. All this ABA sounds like, is a hardcore boot camp in trying to train neurodiverse children to be NT.

4:16 PM  
Blogger HortenseDagle said...

Why is *chatting* necessarily of more value than *thinking*?

Chatting is more valuable to people who chat. It's a subjective, social norm. Many people just project their own needs and desires onto others. "If I'm chatty and light, my child should be too. She wants to be, even if she denies it."
I find the assertion that quiet NTs are more engaged during "dead time" than quiet autistics the most appalling idea.
I have been guilty of justifying the purchase of toys or crafty things by claiming it's "good for my son". claiming therapeutic value instead of just saying, "I'm buying toys for the heck of it". oh well! Did anyone see the Toys R Us catalog for special needs children, they had (regular) toys that they called therapeutic. Drum sets were designated for fine motor skills, Karaoke equipment for aural training or some such thing. a riot!
I don't agree that NTs can learn appropriate social skills if left on their own. They may pick up on some adaptations, but not at an optimal level. Social skills training is necessary for all children.

10:27 PM  
Blogger Zaecus said...

The more time that is spent forcing an autistic child to learn 'NT survival skills' is time the child isn't learning how to be autistic. Just like time spent learning 'mathematics' is time that an NT child isn't spending learning how to resolve disputes with peers.

With so much effort, and time, and medication being liberally applied to make certain autistics -can't- learn how they function best, and with all the extra pressure to conform (as if there's not enough of that built into society already), we may never know what truly autistic functionality looks like. It seems like everyone that I see is either blending in, 'crippled' by trying, or in the process of recovering.

10:31 PM  
Blogger Autism Diva said...

Club 166, Any parent or guardian who is not giving any direction to a child is abusing the child. Actually, no direction is a kind of direction, it's just bad direction. No one is advocating that all autistic children be set free from all parental guidance, that's just ridiculous (but it is one of the too common, bizarre accusations that some maniacally pro-intervention people make, it's like they see only all or nothing).

The thing is, parents really can not tell what some children are learning and not learning, so if the child at any moment is not "looking like he's aware and learning" then the child must not be learning.

Have you seen the documentary, "Autism Is a World?" Sue Rubin describes her mind as sort of suddenly coming "on line" or something like that at age 13 around the time she was exposed to facilitated communication.

In the video Sue is talking with Dr. Margaret Bauman and she mentions this that she, Sue, didn't seem to know anything until she was thirteen, but suddenly everything she had been exposed to (or much of it) became available to her. It's as if it was stored on a disk and the disk just hadn't been popped into the drive yet, or something.

Not that she was entirely a vegetable and unresponsive before that time, she just didn't seem to be able to understand or respond to questions like "When did George Washington cross the Delaware?" that sort of question. At any rate, she went from being "retarded" to "very intelligent" in a very short time.

It's obvious that Sue could not have learned all that stuff that was "stored" if she was kept in a closet her first 13 years with no exposure to those kinds of facts.

Mary Margaret-Yearwood had a kind of experience like that of her mind "coming on line" or at least of the "language receiver" in her mind coming on line some time in her early school years.

The point is that there's no reason to think that an autistic child needs to have sensory and auditory input constantly for 40 or more hours a week. There's some kind of totally unsupported assumption that autistic kids are like sieves and only by cramming information at them every waking minute can they learn anything.

But autistics will tell you that voices can be one of the most awful sounds they hear, and that's not some kind of neurotic response to humans, but voices really are processed in a different way than other sounds are, and they are "loaded" with information and emotional demands that other sounds are not. Some autistics just can not make out what is being said to them. So is it really that helpful to be swamped with "talk-talk-talk"? There's no evidence that it would be helpful.

The average linguistically-challenged middle-aged American, never exposed to Shanghai-ese in his or her entire life, if plonked down in Shanghai tomorrow might never really learn how to follow what a group of Shanghai-ese speakers are saying in a crowded bar. Not even if Mrs. Johnson (average middle-aged American) sat in that crowded bar (with music playing in the background) night after night after night. It's just too hard in those circumstances. Especially for an adult to learn a new language, and then in that non-ideal situation (without a dictionary or lesson book in English).

Sometimes it just means that kids aren't going to get spoken language right away or maybe not ever. They can still learn to communicate. Deaf children learn to communicate. Blind children learn to get along without making eye contact (amazing that, huh?)

NT kids just need a different kind of guiding. Autism Diva isn't sure that they need fewer lessons over all. Autism Diva had to teach her NT kid not to bully others (it wasn't a big problem, but a typical parenting issue), but she never had to teach that to the ASD child.

There are things that ASD kids pick up automatically without being taught, like some teach themselves to read very early, whereas other kids have years of effort poured into them to teach them to read.

Furthermore, there are things that parents need to try to teach their kids, like tying their shoes, but that they need to give up trying to teach there kids at some point. Michelle Dawson says that she still can't tie her shoes, but she can do much more. She didn't get stuck on shoe tying and pass up an opportunity to be a respected and published scientist. Dr. Borcherds at UC Berkeley is autistic and a mathematics genius, and can't take care of himself. His wife cares for lots of basics that another adult man could care for himself, easily.

Should Dr. Borcherds go back to Kindergarten or grade school until he learns to ... whatever?

There was an autistic MD in England who couldn't dress himself. He couldn't, on his own, know that socks go on before shoes. But he was an expert diagnostician in blood diseases.


As to autistics "falling behind in devlopment" that really doesn't quite make sense to Autism Diva. Autistics are very different developmentally that NT kids. They may not be able to do some things that NT kids do at age 5 until they are 30, and there may be nothing on earth that could be done to change that. Autism Diva's child recently showed an ability in the scholastic area that NT kids can usually get by about age 12 or 13. Autism Divas' kid is 26. Granted we weren't "working" on this skill. Autism Diva just thought it wasn't that crucial to this kid's life and trying to teach it was getting us nowhere but into lots of frustration. So, here at age 26 the kid suddenly appears with this skill. Autism Diva had figured the kid would probably never be able to do it.

The child was mainstreamed in school and got extra "resource" help, it's not like xe was locked in a closet.

There's good reason to think that the highly-vaunted "critical periods" don't apply or don't apply in the same way with autistic kids as they do for NT kids. So there's no big panic to get a kid to do something in this small time frame, "else he never will!!!"

Theo Bromine,

Your rant is understood and appreciated.


Kat and Violet Yoshi, Thank you for your comments, too.

There's some kind of meme out there that is not based on science but just sounds good. Autism Diva heard it from Portia Iversen's book, "Strange Son," for one example. Iversen said that Soma (Tito's mom) "built his brain." In other words without his mom almost yelling words at him there's no way he could have learned anything, but he had already learned to love calendars before she started in to teach him to read English (they lived in India, his mom chose English because it seemed easier than Hindi or whatever else he would have spoken otherwise) Soma did not build Tito's brain.

But there's this meme, that ABA builds the childs brain from so much mush. With enough ABA you can mold a mush brain into an NT acting brain, they think. And behaving NT is as good as being NT if you are a behaviorist (Autism Diva really has a great dislike for behaviorism.).

10:36 PM  
Blogger Autism Diva said...

hortensdagle and zaecus, Autism Diva missed your comments. Thank you for them.

10:45 PM  
Blogger Clay said...

I just happened to watch "The Miracle Worker" (for the first time) on the Movie channel last week. Filmed in 1962, starring Patty Duke as Helen Keller, and Anne Bancroft as Annie Sullivan.

I had missed the first part of it, but tuned in during "the table scene", where Annie first tried to teach Helen to eat off her own plate, and use a spoon.

I was stunned to see such a long, wordless scene, filled with such violence, (mostly by Helen Keller), resisting being taught in this way.

While watching, I couldn't help wondering whether the Diva was familiar with this movie, and what she (or Michelle) would say about this method of teaching.

I regretted not seeing the movie the first time around, (I was in high school at the time), and so I ordered it on NetFlix. Should get it soon.

10:02 AM  
Blogger Clay said...

I wrote:

"While watching, I couldn't help wondering whether the Diva was familiar with this movie, and what she (or Michelle) would say about this method of teaching."

Actually, I'd be interested to hear the thoughts of *anyone* who is familiar with the movie.

10:21 AM  
Blogger Club 166 said...

Autism Diva,

Thanks for your detailed and well written response to my reply.

I don't think my opinion differs from yours all that much (it's just that you're much better at expressing it).

I thoroughly agree that not giving children any input/guidance is child abuse, and didn't mean to imply that you were advocating it. I do recognise that it is usually held up as a straw man argument. Unfortunately, I do get to see families where their (usually NT) kids are treated this way, and it's very sad.

I do think that autistics typically can have an easier time of it if they can learn to read non-verbal signals of social situations. Now I could be wrong, but I think my 5 year old NT daughter picks up non-verbal signals in social situations spontaneously much faster than my 7 year old son (PDD-NOS). That doesn't mean that I don't give both of them feedback, but the 5 year old seems to be able to generalize to other similar situations better than the 7 year old.

I also agree that learning is not linear, and I don't try to perseverate on teaching x before we can move on to y. I also have a basic aversion to placing my kid in a Skinner Box, which is why we have never gone the ABA route.

Perhaps my theory of education can be somewhat illuminated by how we spent yesterday afternoon.

Buddy Boy's class is going to participate in the Special Olympics. He came home the other day a little upset that "I'm no good at these things!". I took that as a sign that he actually would want to get better at those things. If he was ambivalent, I would've let it ride.

They're participating in 3 events. Throwing a softball, standing long jump, and running. So I got a softball and took both kids out in the yard. Out of 3 hours in the yard, we probably spent a total of 20-25 minutes on actually working on those skills. Buddy Boy loves to explore the yard looking for insects and worms, and also gets frustrated easily when learning new skills. So we'd throw and jump for 5 minutes, then go and free play for about 30.

Buddy Boy is less coordinated than his NT peers (on average). If I didn't give him specific instruction, he'd probably never pick up these skills. He'll never win any medals, but at least he'll get better at them (I think) with a little help from dad.

10:55 AM  
Blogger farmwifetwo said...

We did ABA for 9mths.

They put the hole into the wall that the SLP and I couldn't.

I was happy to see them go. I didn't like the program before they came... I have less respect for it after they were here. But, it was the only pd for intensive therapy even with a 6mth wait and we couldn't do it ourselves... we tried and tried and needed help.

My kids get lots of "dead time"....

It's fun to watch the little one.. you know.. that one with severe, non-verbal PDD... play "toys" with his stuffed animals, his little peoples, read his books etc. The NVLD one plays with the cars. They both enjoy movies and the computer.

They are children. They get a lot of input, lots of therapy, attend school. Little with an EA, eldest without... but they are children.
5 and 7 yrs old. (5 severe, 7 nvld)

But then again I've never "fed" the behaviours. I've treated them as "normal"... which is probably why they - minus a few issues - really have little trouble in the real world.

But then again.. we refuse to live for it... we live with it... and are enjoying life.

S.

11:29 AM  
Blogger Astryngia said...

Taking on board that autism is a developmental delay, what's the counfounded HURRY all the time? It perhaps reflects our current culture of speeded-up experiences. It also seems that the concept of 'delay' is a pretty well-kept secret.

Lovaas - interesting! Thanks for the early video. I wonder why we are putting our faith in someone who was responding to childhood schizophrenia and influenced by the behavioural school when both have been supplanted or revised.

People have the capacity to think and deviate from anything anyone tries to impose so B does not necessarily follow on from A. It seems like a form of torture.

Lovaas' last words referred to children who are 'disturbed'. It occured to me that children who are disturbed are BEING 'disturbed' by the very people who are trying to help. And by their environment. They are not intrinsically 'disturbed'.

Loved the T shirt!! :-)

2:14 AM  
Blogger Autism Diva said...

Clay, Autism Diva doesn't know what to think about Annie Sullivan and so forth, but Amanda Baggs knows something about Annie Sullivan and it wasn't very positive as Autism Diva remembers... the discussion was a long time ago. It's hard to know what to think about "teaching techniques" used in the 1800's people in the US had a totally different way of looking at life then.

Club 166, Autism Diva didn't mean to sound so critical of you. She's sorry if her response sounded mean. Not that you are complaining about Autism Diva's response, either.

It's a huge topic, "how to teach kids." You are right, some things about social behaviors need to be taught to autistic kids explicitly, and many of those things probably are picked up on more automatically by NT kids.

It sounds like you are using some maybe not so-common-sense in raising Buddy Boy and his sister. Autism Diva has pretty big clumsiness issues.

Thanks for your comments astryngia and farmwifetwo. Sorry for being so slow in acknowledging them.

2:01 PM  
Blogger Mike said...

Downtime? Hmmm. Is that the same as "Read, mark, learn and inwardly digest" (book of Common Prayer 1662)

3:38 PM  
Blogger Club 166 said...

Autism Diva,

Hah! No offense taken. Life would be terribly dull if we all agreed with each other all the time, and I would miss so many opportunities to learn. I also think I've read enough of your posts to know when you really don't like something. :) And I have had enough experiences on message boards to realize that many things appear more offensive than they are meant to be.

...Autism Diva has pretty big clumsiness issues. ...

I am somehow one guy who pretty much missed the "sports" gene myself, and wasn't the most graceful kid, either. In early grammar school I was the kid picked last for a team. By late grammar school I was good enough at group sports to actually have fun in pick up games (still pretty much last one picked), but that was about it. In high school I discovered running on the cross country team, which suited me just fine, and after college (and my knees complaining with running) bicycling and martial arts.

I've been trying (fairly successfully I think) to instill a love of bicycling (and self confidence) in Buddy Boy. Although he's expressed interest (like all young kids) in learning martial arts, I refuse to teach him anything at this point, for various reasons. I have tried to get him interested in some of the breathing exercises, but he'll have little of that. Occasionally I'll incorporate some rolling from Aikido into our playtime, which he kind of likes. I think that it helps him to get more of a sense of his body.

2:18 PM  
Blogger Trisha said...

I love you. I really do.

I never (except for right now) read anything about other parents with autistic children. Doing so makes me want to vomit or, I don't know, pull my brain out of my head and bang it against a tree until all traces of the crazy fall out and blow away.

Dead time? Really?!

Seriously, this stuff makes my veins itch.

On my son's IEP, his "goal" is:

1. Be happy.

That's all. Also, it says that no one is permitted to change who he is in any way.

At home, we pretty much do whatever he wants to do. He knows himself. He knows what he needs. How in the heck could I know what he needs?

And by golly, he's the happiest, most easy-going human I have ever met.

11:22 AM  
Blogger Autism Diva said...

trisha,

Thank you very much for saying you love Autism Diva. That's very encouraging considering how many people really don't like her. :-)

Your son's life sounds like it's full. If he was bored and unchallenged by his environment, he'd be unhappy, and that would show. You are right, he knows himself and probably has a good sense of what he needs, so do you.

Autism Diva's big goal for her NT kid was to grow up to be a good person. That kid didn't like school, but did graduate from high-school in normal classes all the way. There's more than one way to be a success in this world. It shouldn't be all about "making the grade."

1:54 PM  

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